A month ago I got an email from 'Kiwibank'. In it they said they had noticed frequent 3rd party deposits and MULTIPLE CASH DEPOSITS AT ATM'S.
And they demanded I provide documentation to show where the money was coming from? And proof of my address bla bla bla.
I thought it was a scam, I really did.
Why? Because I have only had A FEW deposits into that account from people buying my patchwork, and as for me putting cash into ATM's? NEVER HAVE I EVER PUT CASH INTO AN ATM machine. Like, NEVER.
So of course I thought it was a scam, someone trying to get my information to rip me off.
UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I got another email, saying because I had not provided the requested documentation, they were closing my account, and I needed to get my money out of the account before they closed it!
I was like... OK, I need to go into the bank to sort this out. STILL thinking it was a scam of some sort.
BUT NO! It was real. And when I asked them to show me PROOF of 'numerous 3rd party deposits', and MULTIPLE unexplained cash deposits into ATM's... they said they didn't have to show me!
So I was like, fine you arseholes, give my all my money (there wasn't a lot in there thankfully), and I closed the accounts myself.
I had been with Kiwibank for over 25 years, and they can now get fucked.
I was/am furious. I am sure they can see I did not make ANY cash deposits into those accounts. And nor were there any such deposits on my statements.
Stew reckons they just wanted to close my accounts because they were not making much money out of me.
Whatever. It's over. I am now back to being a one bank person, not two.
And there ends my rant.
When I started WEGOVY, I also bought some Opti Fast chocolate shakes to help speed things up a bit. But I hate them, they have this hideous taste, and even putting fruit in and blending it all together, it was still hideous.
Then someone told me about the Opti Fast Lemon dessert.
So yesterday I bought some...
ABOVE: I whizzed it up in my blender and put it in the fridge for 5 minutes, as per the instructions.
Then I tried it, fully expecting it to still have that nasty Opti Shake taste.
BUT NO... it was perfectly palatable. Nice even. Such a relief, as it gives me a very low calorie option when I feel peckish in the evening.
They cost $5.37 per serve, so you can't quibble about that.
Today I will be going to Pak n Save for what I didn't get yesterday. Then coming home and going to the craft room to do some sewing with the girls. As long as it's not raining, I'm not trudging down to the craft room in the rain. I'd rather stay home.
ONWARD...
JANICE: The first person I spoke to was a woman. When I asked her to answer my questions about why the bank was going to just up and close MY ACCOUNT... she said in a very arrogant and loud way "WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL OR SHOW YOU ANYTHING"! I was gobsmacked. I pointed out that surely they could see via my bank statements that NOTHING had been put into my account via an ATM or even over the counter... after telling me I had done so... but NO. WE ARE CLOSING YOUR ACCOUNT.
So I went over to the teller and took my money out and the young man who served me there was extremely nice.
NO I was not rude or aggressive to anyone... as if! I was fully aware it was not the staff's fault.
But when I left the bank... I did give 'the bank' the finger. I couldn't help myself.
Shoot me now.
It is now 10.30 and I've done the grocery shopping, and put it all away. It is certainly cheaper at Pak n Save, I really should go there instead of New World. 😖
While it is not raining right now, I have opted not to go down to the craft room. Just my luck it will piss down later on and I'll get caught in it.
Best to just stay home.
12 midday.
And I just had a phone call from the Manager of the KIWIBANK Investigative Team down in Wellington. He had received my email this morning.
He starts by saying "MRS HARVEY, WE ARE SO SORRY"... then continues with... The Bank has made a MONUMENTAL ERROR, and the person who sent you the first email asking for all the 'documentation, proof of transactions, bla bla bla made a mistake and sent it to YOU, instead of the intended recipient!
I was never supposed to get that email!!!
I was never supposed to have my account closed.
And the woman who dealt with me and my enquiries yesterday also made a mistake, by telling me I had no right to see or be told WHY this was happening. Or even trying to check out what I was saying was TRUE.
So there ya go. I told the man I would like a follow up email detailing what had happened, and the apology in writing.
Cos I like this sort of shit in writing.
I nearly cried actually, I was so relieved that it wasn't my fault, I had done nothing wrong at all.
Which I knew, but I was made to feel so 'bad' when I left the bank yesterday.
SAGA IS OVER. And I'm still not going to re-join Kiwibank.
Audrey: I was not calling an unfamiliar phone number to possibly get a scammer on the other end! A resident here in my village did that recently and got scammed out of her life savings! Luckily for her, the idiot then went on to pay a personal bill with HER money and subsequently got caught. But back to me... I do not click on any links or ring unfamiliar numbers. When I think it looks like a scam I hit 'DELETE' immediately.
In hindsight, I should have gone into the bank in person to check it out. Like I did yesterday... and see how that went?
Just in...
Hello Christina,
Thank you for your time today.
I am writing on behalf of our AML & Sanctions Team to sincerely apologise for the way your account review and subsequent closure were handled.
We have identified that an error was made in our assessment, and transactions were attributed to your accounts that did not occur on them. We recognise that the information we requested was not intended for you, and this may have affected your decision to continue your banking relationship.
I appreciate how serious and distressing this situation has been, particularly given the nature of the concerns raised. You should not have been placed in a position where you felt that your account activity was being questioned.
I am also very sorry to hear about your experience when you approached the branch for an explanation. Regardless of the circumstances, you should have been treated with courtesy, respect and empathy when raising your concerns.
We take responsibility for our error and for the impact it had on your experience with Kiwibank. We are reviewing what occurred so that we can understand how the incorrect information was associated with your accounts and strengthen our processes to reduce the risk of this happening again.
I appreciate that an apology cannot undo what happened or the frustration and distress this caused. However, I want to acknowledge clearly that we got this wrong, and I am genuinely sorry for the impact on you.
Please feel free to contact me directly either by reply email, or you may call my cell phone below.
And that's the end of it. I shall email Whetu back on Monday, thanking him for his email and clarifying, in writing, that I did nothing wrong.
It is now 5 pm and I have been sewing for a bit this afternoon. Not too much as my left shoulder/arm is rather sore today. Well it is most days now.
When I next see the Dr I shall bring it up again and see what can be done, if anything. Except injections! lol
8 pm. It's been a bit of a day eh? A bit of an ongoing sage re: The Bank. But it is 100% done and dusted now.
I went for a late afternoon walk in the rain, it was lovely.
We have had a thunderstorm this afternoon, but not torrential rain like last night.
Just enough to water the gardens good and proper.
Time to sign off for the day, I'm looking forward to a reasonably early night.
Catch ya tomorrow.

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Were there any cash deposits done directly at the bank (not ATM)? Did you show the manager your evidence ie, bank statements etc? Clearly they have suspected you of undeclared income or money laundering so I certainly would have wanted to clear that up with them regardless... and then close my account :)
ReplyDeleteI read that first bit three times and just got madder each time! What the actual f*^+ they accuse you of essentially money laundering - albeit on a very small scale, demand you prove where the money came from but wont actually show you what transactions they are. What a crock of bureaucratic controlling bullshit.
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DeleteThat’s a nice letter. The cock up was ine thing, shut happens, but the attitude of the person that you spoke to was unacceptable.
DeleteIt’s absolutely the money laundering requirements placed upon banks. The legal onus is upon them to to ensure they aren’t being used to launder money leading them to be over zealous.
ReplyDeleteIt’s absolutely infuriating when you are caught up in it for ordinary everyday activities - but it’s not that uncommon.
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Exactly. The banks have new strict legisation to look into money laundering. You even get questioned now if you spend more than $1,000 at a supermarket. When we sold our beach house we had to supply evidence of now we purchased it in 2008! We didn't have a mortgage on it so they legally had to know where the money came from. Any slightly 'unusual' activity on an account is not suspect.
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DeleteHope you were pleasant enough to staff, they are doing their job. I work in retail and I see it all too often of entitled people ruining the day of staff who are simply working to support themselves and doing a job. Maybe I’ve taken it out of context due to the aggressive nature of your post. Janice
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DeleteSome banks are just awful. I understand in this day & age of fraud there are new regulations but to harass a customer that has been there for decades? Your history with this bank should have been enough for them. They lost a loyal customer which is foolish.
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DeleteVery good to hear they realized the fault was theirs & did apologize for it. Smart to get it in writing & not to do business with them again. I certainly hope that nasty teller was held accountable for such poor service.
DeleteNot sure of NZ tax obligations, but in Australia selling products for a profit including at markets is deemed as income and must be declared to the Australian Taxation Office. Also all bank accounts are usually name cross checked. Could the account you closed not actually be the account that may have come to the notice of whatever organisation it is in NZ that monitors bank account movements. Not for one moment suggesting your accounts are suspicious, but with the money laundering regulations it puts enormous pressure on banks and they are probably being over zealous and tagging accounts that are not suspicious. Surely Kiwi Bank would be obliged by law to give you details of the deposits they referred to. Something sounds off - I would definitely speak with a financial adviser, accountant or lawyer for clarity.
ReplyDeleteWe talked to a financial advisor about my market takings Vs. My expenditure... and I do NOT make a profit ! Having spent over $5,000 on a new machine, fabric, etc etc over the past year... lol. A profit is not going to happen for a long time. Remember, we only do a few markets a year, we are not BIG TIME market goers.
DeleteDo you have to put gst on your products? Audrey
DeleteThats great, and I’m not surprised at all you have everything in order. Time to go back to keeping any money we have under the mattress! I would definitely request an appointment with the Bank Manager (at least). Don’t let it take up too much space in your day, its another example of government bureaucracy gone crazy!
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DeleteThats great! It’s always good to go into bat when you know something is totally wrong. Good to have things in writing. Enjoy the rest of your day 💕💕
DeleteOK, I would have absolutely asked to see the manager and if not available, I'd make an appointment. This is unacceptable to not know why. Are you saying that you have never deposited cash into the back account? Is this the account customers pay you for your runners? So many questions... what transactions did your statement show? Even now, I'd want to know by talking to someone higher up the chain.
ReplyDeleteI have emailed Kiwibank asking for an explanation. I await a response. A very few people have paid for a runner via that bank account in the past year... certainly not enough to generate suspicion. Also, they are clearly labelled as patchwork runners etc. And I have not deposited cash into that account for a very, very long time. We use our BNZ account more often than not.
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DeleteWow, that is crazy Chris!!!!!! What a dreadful mistake to make and it's just as well you followed it up.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be going back to them either. Jez don't they triple check email addresses, names etc before hitting send, useless gits
ReplyDeletePossible phone call to kifwibank from you after first approach from them could have saved you a lot of anguish. Don't blame you though for closing the account because their subsequent responses were appalling. Audrey
ReplyDeleteI didn't mean to ring the number on the document you received. Asb tell you to look up the number on their website to contact them. I never click on links in emails or reply to unknown phone numbers. Audrey
DeleteI would give “the bank” the finger too !!
ReplyDeleteAnd definitely get the apology in writing. How could they make a mistake like that !!
That is a shocking mistake to make, that woman you dealt with certainly needs to be spoken to and made to apologise.
ReplyDeleteNice follow up apology from the bank but as u say from start to finish the thing was handled badly by the bank
ReplyDeleteCan you make an official complaint to the Banking Ombudsman or NZ equivalent? If they have sent an email to you in error, what hasn't got to you when it should, and has any of your personal information been sent to someone else in error? If nothing else, even a minor investigation by the ombudsman might irritate the bank which would be an excellent thing. Georgia
ReplyDeleteYe gods and little fishes. Thank goodness you got the whole story and an apology. You need one from the woman in the bank too. Sort of thing that leaves a very nasty feeling
ReplyDeleteOMG! What a story! That is crazy!
ReplyDeleteThey did write a very well composed letter _ I must say. But, yea. BYE BYE.
Not going back.
I can't believe the teller said that.
If I went in to my bank with that letter and a concern about unauthorized activity on MY ACCOUNT - I am certain they would help me. Well, maybe not CERTAIN - but my gosh I WOULD HOPE SO.
I'm with KB. Only had one episode of some know-it-all telling me what I could and shouldn't do with my $. I was going to withdraw everything but when I rang to request another transaction a very nice guy was total opposite. Couldn't have been nicer. They need to do more Kiwi Host training in NZ. KJ
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